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== 61-Battery Regulation using CAN ==
 
== 61-Battery Regulation using CAN ==
 
This procedure applies to battery replacement in vehicles using a separate battery management control module.
 
This procedure applies to battery replacement in vehicles using a separate battery management control module.
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=== Special Notes ===
 
=== Special Notes ===
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* Measuring Block groups 008, 019 and 020 should show Battery information.
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* Measuring Block groups 017, 018, 019 and 020 should show Battery information.
 
* Registered users encountering difficulty can contact us via [mailto:Support@Ross-Tech.com email] -or- join and post in [http://forums.ross-tech.com our forum]. Please include the Auto-Scan, Saved Adaptation Channel 004 Log  prior to modifications, the part number, serial number and vendor code located on the original battery and the details located on the brand new battery in addition to the error message details.
 
* Registered users encountering difficulty can contact us via [mailto:Support@Ross-Tech.com email] -or- join and post in [http://forums.ross-tech.com our forum]. Please include the Auto-Scan, Saved Adaptation Channel 004 Log  prior to modifications, the part number, serial number and vendor code located on the original battery and the details located on the brand new battery in addition to the error message details.
 
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'''[Adaptation - 10]'''<br>
 
'''[Adaptation - 10]'''<br>
 
* '''Battery adaptation - Size'''
 
* '''Battery adaptation - Size'''
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* This may be something like IDE03256-MAS04490 Battery adaptation - Size or IDE03256-MAS06105 Battery adaptation-Rated battery capacity
 
** Select the battery Ah rating from the drop-down menu followed by '''[Do It!]''' and confirm '''[Yes]'''
 
** Select the battery Ah rating from the drop-down menu followed by '''[Do It!]''' and confirm '''[Yes]'''
 
* '''Battery adaptation - Manufacturer'''
 
* '''Battery adaptation - Manufacturer'''
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** Select the battery manufacturer from the drop-down menu followed by '''[Do It!]''' and confirm '''[Yes]'''
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** This may be something like IDE03256-MAS03159 Battery adaptation - Manufacturer or IDE03256-MAS06107 Battery adaptation-Battery manufacturer
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*** Select the battery manufacturer from the drop-down menu followed by '''[Do It!]''' and confirm '''[Yes]'''
 
* '''Battery adaptation - Serial number'''
 
* '''Battery adaptation - Serial number'''
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** Type the serial number code from the replacement battery followed by '''[Do It!]''' and confirm '''[Yes]'''
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** This may be something like IDE03256-IDE00010 Battery adaptation - Serial number or IDE03256-MAS06108 Battery adaptation-Battery Serial Number
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Providing the value was accepted by the controller the new battery coding is complete.<br>
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*** Type the serial number code from the replacement battery followed by '''[Do It!]''' and confirm '''[Yes]'''
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* If the Battery Type is modified the '''Battery technology''' channel should be checked.  If the replacement battery is the same type modifications to this channel are NOT necessary.
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** This may be something like IDE03256-MAS06106 Battery adaptation-Battery technology
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*** Factory installed AGM often use Fleece
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*** Factory installed Enhanced Flooded Batteries use EFB
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*** Factory installed Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) use Wet
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Providing the values were accepted by the controller the new battery coding is complete.<br>
 
'''[Done, Go Back]'''<br>
 
'''[Done, Go Back]'''<br>
 
'''[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]'''
 
'''[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]'''
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== Battery Part Numbers ==
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<span style="color:red;"><b>Note:</b></span> Some battery controllers may only recognize the ''Original Part number'' and not the newer Audi/VW Supersession. <br>If a new or superseded part number is rejected when performing battery coding, use the corresponding ''original part number'' from the chart below instead. 
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Keep in mind this limitation applies to the coding identifier only.<br>The newer superseded battery can still be installed and will function correctly as long as it meets the required specifications (capacity, chemistry, and internal resistance).
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=== Part Number Reference table ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="width:100%;"
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! style="text-align:left;" | Original Part Numbers
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! style="text-align:left;" | Superseded Part Numbers
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! style="text-align:left;" | Capacity (Ah)
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! style="text-align:left;" | Chemistry
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! style="text-align:left;" | Internal Resistance (mΩ)
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|-
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| 8K0915105J
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| 000915105BB, 000915105DC
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| 51
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 7.6
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|-
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| 1S0915105A
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| 000915105EB
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| 59
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| EFB
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| 7.3
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|-
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| 4F0915105, 8K0915105G
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| 000915105DD
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| 60
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 7.6
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|-
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| 8K0915105H
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| 000915105AD, 000915105DE
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| 61
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 7.3
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|-
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| 7L0915105
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| 000915105CC
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| 68
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| AGM (Fleece)
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| 6.9
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|-
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| 6R0915105B
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| 000915105EC
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| 69
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| EFB
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| 7.0
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|-
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| 4F0915105A, 8K0915105C
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| 000915105DF
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| 70
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 7.3
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|-
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| 8K0915105B
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| 000915105AF, 000915105DG
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| 72
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 6.9
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|-
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| 3D0915105H
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| 000915105CD
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| 75
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| AGM (Fleece)
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| 7.1
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|-
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| 7N0915105B
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| 000915705ED
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| 79
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| EFB
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| 6.7
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|-
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| 4F0915105B, 4FD915105, 8K0915105D, 8KD915105A
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| 000915105AG, 000915105DH
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| 80
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 6.9
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|-
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| 4F0915105E, 5GM915105T, 8K0915105K
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| 000915105CE
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| 92
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| AGM (Fleece)
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| 6.0
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|-
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| 4F0915105C, 8K0915105E
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| 000915105AH, 000915105DK
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| 95
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 6.5
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|-
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| 4F0915105D, 8K0915105F, 8KD915105A
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| 000915105AK, 000915105DL
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| 110
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 6.0
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|-
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| 4L0915105
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| 000915105CF
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| 105
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| AGM (Fleece)
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| 5.6
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|-
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| 4H0915105
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| 000915105DM
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| 115
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| Standard / Flooded
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| 5.6
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|}
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=== Battery Abbreviations ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:left;"
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! Abbreviation
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! Meaning
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|-
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| AGM
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| Absorbent Glass Mat (Vlies)
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|-
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| EFB
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| Enhanced Flooded Battery
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|-
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| FLA
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| Flooded Lead-Acid (conventional "wet cell")
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|-
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| GEL
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| Gel Electrolyte VRLA battery
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|-
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| SLA
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| Sealed Lead-Acid battery
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|-
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| VRLA
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| Valve-Regulated Lead-Acid battery
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|}
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== Example Picture ==
 
== Example Picture ==
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== Notes ==
 
== Notes ==
 
* Users encountering difficulty with the data shown on the battery sticker may want to:
 
* Users encountering difficulty with the data shown on the battery sticker may want to:
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** Consider scanning the QR code with a smart phone app. We have had success with BB, Android and iOS platform mobile devices running  [http://www.i-nigma.com/Downloadi-nigmaReader.html i-nigma's free app.]<br>
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** Consider scanning the QR code with a smart phone app.<br>
 
** Refer to this [http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/581232-B8-A4-Battery-Replacement-Coding B8 A4 Battery Replacement - Coding] thread which discusses labels in some detail.
 
** Refer to this [http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/581232-B8-A4-Battery-Replacement-Coding B8 A4 Battery Replacement - Coding] thread which discusses labels in some detail.
 
** We have seen some cases where (contrary to established norms) some Varta batteries have VAO (letter O) instead of VA0 (number 0). If you encounter a problem with Coding one of these, please try substituting the letter for the number or vice versa.
 
** We have seen some cases where (contrary to established norms) some Varta batteries have VAO (letter O) instead of VA0 (number 0). If you encounter a problem with Coding one of these, please try substituting the letter for the number or vice versa.
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** Based on feedback MLB based CAN Gateway modules often reject ZET, EMC and JCB vendor codes.  In those cases we recommend using Varta so the control module will accept the new value.
  
 
[[Category:Subsystems]]
 
[[Category:Subsystems]]

Latest revision as of 15:35, 19 August 2025


A large majority of modern VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda vehicles require the configuration of replacement batteries. The diagnostic steps vary depending on the actual vehicle configuration.

Prerequisites:

  • New VW/Audi Battery Installed
    • Aftermarket batteries may NOT have a valid Part Number, Vendor code or Serial number. Ross-Tech cannot offer assistance if the necessary information is missing.
  • Key On, Engine OFF



61-Battery Regulation using CAN

This procedure applies to battery replacement in vehicles using a separate battery management control module. 

Address 61: Battery Regul.        Labels: 4F0-910-181.lbl
  Part No SW: 4F0 910 181 E    HW: 4F0 915 181 A
  Component: ENERGIEMANAGER  H12 0490  

  Subsystem 1 - Part No: 000 915 105 C
  Component: von VA0  2502160103       
  Coding: 303030393135313035432056413032353032313630313033
  Shop #: WSC 54332 321 22222

Coding

[Select]
[61 - Battery Regulation]
[Coding - 07]
Use the pull down menu to select the battery (slave) listed as #1.
[Battery Coding]

  • Enter the new Battery Part Number (10 or 11 digits).
  • Enter the new Battery Serial Number (10 digits).
  • Select the new Battery Vendor.

[OK]
[Do it!]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

Your new Battery should now be coded and the Battery Control Module should be aware of the new Battery.

Special Notes

  • Some vehicles like Audi R8 along with some rest-of-world models with Stop-Start, can have a 61 that is really a virtual module in the 19-CAN Gateway. In these cases, the new battery information is entered in 61-Battery Regulation then Adaptation Channel 004.

19-CAN Gateway using CAN

This procedure applies to battery replacement in vehicles using a battery management control module that is a slave/subsystem of the CAN Gateway. 

Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
  Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 Q    HW: 8T0 907 468 L
  Component: GW-BEM 5CAN-M H10 0095  

  Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 B    HW: 8K0 915 181 B
  Component: J367-BDM  H04 0150

Long Adaptation

Installation of a new battery requires the use of the [Long Adaptation-0A] function under 19-CAN-Gateway control module. Follow the on-screen instructions to enter the Part Number, Vendor, and Serial Number all as one long new value.

[Select]
[19 - CAN-Gateway]
[Long Adaptation-0A]
Channel 004
[Read]
VCDS will populate instructions in the form of a pop-up balloon with the formatting. For example: 

Format: NNNNNNNNNNN XXX ZZZZZZZZZZ

N = Battery Part Number (11 Digits)
X = Battery Vendor (3 Digits)
Z = Battery Serial Number (10 Digits)

[Add to Log] Saving the original value to a log is strongly recommended.
Type the New Battery details into the New value field.

  • Note, the New value must be 26 (alpha numeric) total characters including the spaces! If in doubt check the saved log for the original battery formatting details.

[Test]
[Save]
Providing the value was accepted by the controller the new battery coding is complete.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

Special Notes

  • Measuring Block groups 017, 018, 019 and 020 should show Battery information.
  • Registered users encountering difficulty can contact us via email -or- join and post in our forum. Please include the Auto-Scan, Saved Adaptation Channel 004 Log prior to modifications, the part number, serial number and vendor code located on the original battery and the details located on the brand new battery in addition to the error message details.

tinyurl.com/pzgolq7

19-CAN Gateway using (UDS/ODX)

This procedure applies to battery replacement in vehicles using a battery management control module that is a slave/subsystem of the CAN Gateway. 

Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: None
  Part No SW: 4G0 907 468 E    HW: 4G0 907 468 A
  Component: J533--Gateway H08 0213  
  ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewUDS 001025

  Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
  Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8X0 915 181     HW: 8X0 915 181 
  Component: J367-BDM  H07 0140

Adaptation

Installation of a new battery requires the use of the [Adaptation-10] function under 19-CAN-Gateway control module. Use the drop-down menus to enter the Part Number, Vendor, and Serial Number information located on the new battery .

[Select]
[19 - CAN-Gateway]
[Adaptation - 10]

  • Battery adaptation - Size
  • This may be something like IDE03256-MAS04490 Battery adaptation - Size or IDE03256-MAS06105 Battery adaptation-Rated battery capacity
    • Select the battery Ah rating from the drop-down menu followed by [Do It!] and confirm [Yes]
  • Battery adaptation - Manufacturer
    • This may be something like IDE03256-MAS03159 Battery adaptation - Manufacturer or IDE03256-MAS06107 Battery adaptation-Battery manufacturer
      • Select the battery manufacturer from the drop-down menu followed by [Do It!] and confirm [Yes]
  • Battery adaptation - Serial number
    • This may be something like IDE03256-IDE00010 Battery adaptation - Serial number or IDE03256-MAS06108 Battery adaptation-Battery Serial Number
      • Type the serial number code from the replacement battery followed by [Do It!] and confirm [Yes]
  • If the Battery Type is modified the Battery technology channel should be checked. If the replacement battery is the same type modifications to this channel are NOT necessary.
    • This may be something like IDE03256-MAS06106 Battery adaptation-Battery technology
      • Factory installed AGM often use Fleece
      • Factory installed Enhanced Flooded Batteries use EFB
      • Factory installed Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) use Wet

Providing the values were accepted by the controller the new battery coding is complete.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]



Battery Part Numbers

Note: Some battery controllers may only recognize the Original Part number and not the newer Audi/VW Supersession.
If a new or superseded part number is rejected when performing battery coding, use the corresponding original part number from the chart below instead.

Keep in mind this limitation applies to the coding identifier only.
The newer superseded battery can still be installed and will function correctly as long as it meets the required specifications (capacity, chemistry, and internal resistance).

Part Number Reference table

Original Part Numbers Superseded Part Numbers Capacity (Ah) Chemistry Internal Resistance (mΩ)
8K0915105J 000915105BB, 000915105DC 51 Standard / Flooded 7.6
1S0915105A 000915105EB 59 EFB 7.3
4F0915105, 8K0915105G 000915105DD 60 Standard / Flooded 7.6
8K0915105H 000915105AD, 000915105DE 61 Standard / Flooded 7.3
7L0915105 000915105CC 68 AGM (Fleece) 6.9
6R0915105B 000915105EC 69 EFB 7.0
4F0915105A, 8K0915105C 000915105DF 70 Standard / Flooded 7.3
8K0915105B 000915105AF, 000915105DG 72 Standard / Flooded 6.9
3D0915105H 000915105CD 75 AGM (Fleece) 7.1
7N0915105B 000915705ED 79 EFB 6.7
4F0915105B, 4FD915105, 8K0915105D, 8KD915105A 000915105AG, 000915105DH 80 Standard / Flooded 6.9
4F0915105E, 5GM915105T, 8K0915105K 000915105CE 92 AGM (Fleece) 6.0
4F0915105C, 8K0915105E 000915105AH, 000915105DK 95 Standard / Flooded 6.5
4F0915105D, 8K0915105F, 8KD915105A 000915105AK, 000915105DL 110 Standard / Flooded 6.0
4L0915105 000915105CF 105 AGM (Fleece) 5.6
4H0915105 000915105DM 115 Standard / Flooded 5.6


Battery Abbreviations

Abbreviation Meaning
AGM Absorbent Glass Mat (Vlies)
EFB Enhanced Flooded Battery
FLA Flooded Lead-Acid (conventional "wet cell")
GEL Gel Electrolyte VRLA battery
SLA Sealed Lead-Acid battery
VRLA Valve-Regulated Lead-Acid battery



Example Picture

Note: The 10 digit serial number may be preceded by the Battery Vendor Code, for instance VA0. See examples below:

Click on thumbnail image to enlarge.
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If the code is VA0310314E04G then drop the VA0 and just enter 310314E04G as the Serial Number.


Video Link

Wikibatterycoding.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJAScg6JrYI

Notes

  • Users encountering difficulty with the data shown on the battery sticker may want to:
    • Consider scanning the QR code with a smart phone app.
    • Refer to this B8 A4 Battery Replacement - Coding thread which discusses labels in some detail.
    • We have seen some cases where (contrary to established norms) some Varta batteries have VAO (letter O) instead of VA0 (number 0). If you encounter a problem with Coding one of these, please try substituting the letter for the number or vice versa.
    • Based on feedback MLB based CAN Gateway modules often reject ZET, EMC and JCB vendor codes. In those cases we recommend using Varta so the control module will accept the new value.
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